SR20 DET/VE+T

[Mirek]

Nechci vyvolavat zadny flame a netouzim ani po prispevcich jestli je prestavba zbytecna nebo ne...Jen bych chtel touto cestou pozadat, pokud by nekdo narazil na nejake zajimave info ohledne stavby VET ci VE-T, at to sem napise nebo idealne pretlumoci...ja a anglina si rozumime jen trochu a technicky clanky muzu prekladat blbe....dekuju

[Mirek]

Here is a cheap VE-T combo that will clear 450-480 WHP easily at 20 PSI.

SR16VE motor $1000

SR20 cam gears set at -5 In, +5 Ex

SR20DE crank $100

SR20DET rods $100

SR20DET pistons about 9.3-1 compression New with rings $280 or used $120

SR20VE steal head gasket from Mossy $85

New Crank and Rod Beaings $270.

N1 intake and TB from Mossy $450

740cc side feed injs $540 on EBAY

T3T04 Turbo .63 turbine, stage 5 wheel with 60 trim or larger compressor wheel.

Turbo Manifold Log or equal length $400-$800



That will net 450-480 WHP at 20 PSI all day with no stress.

This comes from the assumption that DET guys make 400-420 WHP at 20 PSI. The VE with better head and bigger cams will net an xtra 50 WHP while costing less t0 build

proc neni pouzita SR20DET Crank? jaky je rozdil mezi DE A DET crank?

[Mirek]

car broke on my b-day i got a tacoma and i have a 240sx to play with too. i'm moving to the rear drive world. so everything is up for sale.

i'm giving the locals first crack as it's easier to deal that way than trying to ship stuff and eally just rather sell the whole to wanna you guys.


whole car has:
-sr20ve- det pistons and rods stock vvl head. ( something is wrong with the bottom end haven't looked into it yet)
just head- gone
-j-pipe/downpipe- $50 or best offer
-hass auto works intercooler piping kit with turboxs b.o.v.- $300 or best offer
-deatchwerks 555cc injectors- gone
-comp 6 puck clutch- $250 or best offer
-3 inch vrs exhuast- $180 or best offer
-aem guage type wideband- $200 or best offer gone
never installed progress rear sway bar- gone

i don't access to pics but i can prolly get some if needed. everything is on the car now. the body is a black b13 with stillen front bumper cover, black b14 wheels with great tread falken 512's in front and some low tread ones in back. also has 2 gauge pillar with sport comp oil pressure gauge, and silver series boost guage, new speakers all the way around, wallbro 255fuel pump, and no a/c.

the b14's with the falkens will be for sale soon.
i also have a good tranny still.

[Mirek]

Ktera varianta se vam zda lepsi...pouzit SR16VE s vnitrnostma 20DET nebo pouzit jako zaklad SR20VE a pouzit pisty+ojnice a kliku z DET?

[Martin_534]

sice můj příspěvek bude přesně to co nechceš slyšel, ale PROČ to celý? :-) ty peníze se daj utratit daleko smysluplněji

[Mirek]

sice můj příspěvek bude přesně to co nechceš slyšel, ale PROČ to celý? :-) ty peníze se daj utratit daleko smysluplněji

This comes from the assumption that DET guys make 400-420 WHP at 20 PSI. The VE with better head and bigger cams will net an xtra 50 WHP while costing less t0 build

Od swapu vetsiho motoru sem po jizde na okruhu upustil..nedovedu si predstavit jeste vetsi vahu na predku nez ted se SR20DET

[Gerox]

a me by zajimal ten jejich SR20det na 480 ps pri 20psi...dle setupu co tam pisou...

[Mirek]

a me by zajimal ten jejich SR20det na 480 ps pri 20psi...dle setupu co tam pisou...

en setup co je tam vypsanej je pro SR20VE-T......o DET se tam zminuji jen pro porovnani a sice s vykonem 400-420 pri 20PSI

[Gerox]

400-420 ps pri 1,3 je zcela realnych....ale ne na seriovem motoru...i kdyz tady asi spousta lidi bude tvrdit ze to serie vydrzi...

[Mirek]

tady je par TECH info o VE motorech:
What does Neo VVL stand for?
Nissan Ecology Orientated Variable Valve Lift and Timing

The VE (Neo VVL) series of engines is Nissan's answer to Honda's VTEC. The two systems are nearly identical. They use the same concept of multiple cam lobes to provide a low rpm cam ideal for torque and a high rpm cam optimized for hp. The only difference in the Nissan system is that the intake and exhaust cams are triggered indepedently for a flatter, more consistent power band. You can read more about the VTEC system here.

How many different VE motors are there?
There are five (5) VE motors.
SR16VE - 173hp 5 speed Manual 97-2001
SR16VE N1 - 197hp 5 speed Manual 97-98
SR20VE - 187hp CVT 6 speed Auto 97-2001
SR20VE - 204hp 6 speed Manual 2001-Present
SR20VET - 276hp AWD Turbo 2002-Present

How much power does the VE have?
SR16VE - 173hp @ 7800rpm / 119lb torque @ 7200rpm
SR16VE N1 - 197hp @ 7800rpm / 134lb torque @ 7600rpm
SR20VE - 187hp @ 7000rpm / 145lb torque @ 6000rpm
SR20VET - 276hp @ 6400rpm / 228lb torque @ 3200rpm

How much do they cost?
SR16VE - $1000-$1600
SR16VE N1 - $3000+ good luck finding one*
SR20VE - $1000-$2500
SR20VET - unknown
*Only 500 of these engines are thought to have been produced.
**These are average prices based on availability and engine condition. Actual prices may vary.

What are the origins of these motors?
SR16VE - 1.6L VVL motor found in the Nissan Sunny Lucino VZ-R, Sunny GT and Pulsar VZ-R.
SR16VE N1 - 1.6L VVL motor found in the Nissan Pulsar VZ-R N1 and Pulsar VZ-R N1 SSS.
SR20VE - 2.0L VVL motor found in the Nissan Primera (Infiniti G20 bodystyle), Bluebird, Wingroad, and Autobacs Garaiya.
SR20VET - 2.0L turbocharged VVL motor found in the Nissan X-Trail SUV, and Trailrunner Concept Car.

Where can I buy one?
Andreas Miko in Miami, FL (305) 282-3643
Soko Engines (800) 338-7656 or (800) 598-3535

I need some parts for my VE, do you have parts codes?
13020 1N503 SR16VE intake cam
13020 1N509 SR16VE exhaust cam
11044 1N500 SR20VE head gasket
12200 2J200 SR20VE crankshaft
13500 1N501 SR20VE front cover and oil pump
14036 1N500 SR20VE exhaust manifold gasket
16600 1N500 SR20VE fuel injectors
21010 53J03 SR20VE water pump
22100 1N510 SR20VE distributor
22157 1N510 SR20VE distributor rotor
22162 1N511 SR20VE distributor cap
22401 1N516 SR20VE NGK BKR6E-N spark plugs
22680 5J000 SR20VE MAF (mass air flow sensor)
13020 8H600 SR20VET intake cam yes the turbo cams!
13020 8H610 SR20VET exhaust cam
11110-2J210 SR20VE oil pan. This is the same as the 2000-2001 SR20DE
*These are JDM Nissan part numbers and will not come up in your local dealerships computers. Some dealers have connections to get them, such as Courtesy Nissan in Texas and SR20Development in California. Call them for prices.

Where can I get headers and other JDM stuff for my new VE?
JDM Spec Performance Good site for aftermarket JDM.

What modifications can I perform to make my VE faster?
You can use the standard SR20DE exhaust such as Greddy, HKS, etc. and CAI (cold air induction) like the AEM, Hotshot or Place Racing. The SR20VE is a low port motor. You will need an intake for a low port (94) B13, or any B14 SR20 car. The B15 SR20 intake does not have both intake hoses the earlier and VE motors do.

A standard DE header will choke the VE as there is about 1/8"-1/4" overlap on the exhaust ports on the VE. Hotshot is currently developing a VE specific header to resolve this issue. Fujitsubo and Impul in Japan also make headers specifically for the VE.

Other options include installing SR16VE cams in the SR20VE for a guesstimated increase of 18 crank HP. If you are an SR16VE owner you can install a 2001 Nissan SE 4 counterweight crank with new rods and pistons to increase displacement to 2.0L. Specifics on the rods and pistons are currently being tested and we will provide more information as it is available.


What kind of 1/4 mile time can I expect with an SR20VE?
Average 1/4 mile times for a full interior SR20VE powered SE-R are 13.8 - 14.2.

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SR20VE
Intake cam
Low lobe: 8.4mm lift @ 220 duration
Low lobe center angle: 110deg
High lobe:10.7mm lift @ 264 duration
High lobe center angle: 104deg

Exhaust cam
Low lobe: 6.6 mm lift @ 244 duration
Low lobe center angle: 122deg
High lobe:10.34 mm lift @ 268 duration
High lobe center angle: 114 deg

SR16VE
Intake cam
Low Intake Duration: 200
Low Intake Lift: 7.1
Low Intake Center Angle: 100

Low Lobe Center Angle: 111
Low Overlap: 0

High Intake Duration: 280
High Intake Lift: 11.1
High Intake Center Angle: 100

High Lobe Center Angle: 105
High Overlap: 70

Exhaust cam
Low Exhaust Duration: 244
Low Exhaust Lift: 7.95
Low Exhaust Center Angle:122

High Exhaust Duration: 280
High Exhaust Lift: 11.1
High Exhaust Center Angle:110

SR16VE N1
Intake cam
Low Intake Duration: 220
Low Intake Lift: 8.4
Low Intake Center Angle: 110

Low Lobe Center Angle: 116
Low Overlap: 0

High Intake Duration: 288
High Intake Lift: 12.0
High Intake Center Angle: 104

Exhaust cam

Low Exhaust Duration: 244
Low Exhaust Lift: 7.95
Low Exhaust Center Angle:122

High Exhaust Duration: 288
High Exhaust Lift: 11.9
High Exhaust Center Angle:110

SR20VE (20V)

Intake cam
Low duration: 228deg
Low lift 10.10mm
Low center angle: 114deg

High duration: 278deg
High lift: 12.00 mm
High center angle: 114deg

Exhaust cam

Low duration: 244deg
Low lift: 8.30mm
Low center angle: 106deg

High duration: 280deg
High lift: 11.15mm
High center angle: 108deg

Other cam info
Timing Events:
All of the above (except lifts of course) can be calculated from the timing events.

SR16VE
Intake Low: Opens at 0deg before TDC, Closes at 20deg After BDC
Intake High: Opens at 40deg before TDC, Closes at 60deg After BDC
Exhaust Low: Opens at 64deg before BDC, Closes at 0deg After TDC
Exhaust High: Opens at 70deg before BDC, Closes at 30deg After TDC

SR16VE-N1
Intake Low: Opens at 0deg before TDC, Closes at 40deg After BDC
Intake High: Opens at 40deg before TDC, Closes at 68deg After BDC
Exhaust Low: Opens at 64deg before BDC, Closes at 0deg After TDC
Exhaust High: Opens at 74deg before BDC, Closes at 34deg After TDC

[Mirek]

Jeste bych chtel pozadat Idaha nebo nekoho kdo dovazi dily z JPN jestli by neslo zjistit informace o tesnenich pod hlavu VE motoru...na www sem nasel prispevek ze SR20VE ma stejne tesneni jako DE..resp ze pasuje..tim padem i cela hlava.

[mikyc]

400-420 ps pri 1,3 je zcela realnych....ale ne na seriovem motoru...i kdyz tady asi spousta lidi bude tvrdit ze to serie vydrzi...

vydrzi dokud bude smes egt a olej ok

[Gerox]

abys mel spravny egt musis vymenit vstryky, regulator, cerpadlo, ECU...

...seriova turbina 1,3 nikdy neda...cili menit i turbo...

a to jses tam za kilo s prehledem...

...a o spojce, vyfuku, IC a dalsich vecech kolem ani nemluvim...

...cili to uz je neco jinyho nez seriovej motor...

...ale je mozny ze amici maji nakej spesl know how...

[mikyc]

abys mel spravny egt musis vymenit vstryky, regulator, cerpadlo, ECU...

...seriova turbina 1,3 nikdy neda...cili menit i turbo...

a to jses tam za kilo s prehledem...

...a o spojce, vyfuku, IC a dalsich vecech kolem ani nemluvim...

...cili to uz je neco jinyho nez seriovej motor...

...ale je mozny ze amici maji nakej spesl know how...

myslel jsem samozrejmne seriovej spodek, co pises, tomu amici rikaj 'bolt on' ;-)

[Gerox]

vim ze tomu rikaji bolt on...a nadale tvrdej ze to je stock engine?

ze to ma jen "few bolt on stuff but the rest is stock"...???

pac v tom pripade mam uplne seriovej motor...